Roger DepueAs you all know.. No good deed goes unpunished.
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Roger DepueWatch yourself. When you get too close to a guy like this, you can lose your way.
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Bill HagmaierYou can't hold these girls hostage. Not anymore. That tactic will backfire. If anyone senses that you're stalling on this, you're cooked.
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Carolyn LiebermanI'm not going to leave you alone with law enforcement.
Ted BundyCarolyn. I told you. This is different. This is Bill. He's my best friend.
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Bill HagmaierWhat do you imagine they're doing right now? You know, while their daddies talk murder?
Ted BundyI haven't seen her. I don't uh... I don't know what she does. I'd like to imagine that she's got a nice dollhouse and that she goes out riding her bike. Then I also hope that she's... careful, you know?
Bill HagmaierHm. A lot of dangerous men in the world.
Ted BundyI'm going to... take you somewhere... that I've never taken anyone before. And I will do the talking.
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Warden WilkensonIt's a madhouse here. We got phones ringing off the hook, I got inspectors coming from all over the country, got media camped out across the street, now you're showing up to join Team Bundy.
Bill HagmaierEvery morning I say a prayer. I put on my gun and my badge, and I ask God for the strength and wisdom to know when to pull the trigger. And not one second sooner, and not one second later.
Ted BundyThat's not what I'm asking either. Could you kill somebody?
Bill HagmaierYeah, I could. And I could get away with it too. I'm at least as strong as you. Probably like sex as much as you do. I know how to dispose of a body. How not to be noticed. How to get in and out and leave a scene looking like it belongs to a series of other murderers. But that's not who I am. I wouldn't do that.
Bill HagmaierYou're saying I'm the guy that's actually gonna decide whether or not he gets the chair.
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Ted BundyYou and your colleagues out there. The investigators, the detectives. You're like fishermen out on the water. You throw your bait in, you're trying to catch your fish. The smaller fish... the inexperienced ones, the ones that are still driven by their ego... well, they're going to fight for that. They're going to swim up, they're going to try to get that hook. They don't know it's a hook because they're stupid. They're arrogant. You'll catch a lot of those fish. But occasionally, your bait will sink a little lower... to the mid-level, and that's where the medium size fish are. They're hard to catch. You only catch them when they're lazy or their egos get the better of them. You get them, you pull them up, you mount them on your wall, you get your press conference, you write your book. But deep down... in the deepest depths of the sea, is where the biggest fish are. You have no idea how big they are. You have no idea how long they've been down there. They see everything. They watch everything. Sometimes they eat the smaller fish. But they don't take the bait. The only way you can catch them is to become one of them. You can't do that. You won't do that. Not yet. Maybe someday... if I can trust you... I'll take you under the water with me. You can see how deep all this goes.
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Bill HagmaierThose families. They need to know that you died for their daughter. Each one of them independently is going to believe that you died for their daughter. That's why you have to die in the morning. It's for them.
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Ted BundyYou think they should kill me, don't you? You think it's my turn to die.
Bill HagmaierFrankly, they probably should've done it a long time ago.
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Carolyn LiebermanYou want to know what I think about Ted Bundy? I will tell you. I hate him. I think I hate him more than anybody I ever hated.
Ted BundyTell me what do you think I would do if I broke out of this place?
Bill HagmaierWell, the first thing you would do is steal a car. Then you'd probably head up to the state of Washington. You'd probably... remove a couple of people that are under your skin.
Bill HagmaierMaybe a... . an investigator that's pissing you off. Not returning your letters. Maybe a journalist who's been... . unkind. Then there's somebody else. I don't know. A guy you think is having sex with your wife. Then you'd steal another car, slip over the border into Canada and never ever come out. We'd never hear from you ever again.
Bill HagmaierNo one could've saved him after what he's done. Carolyn... you need to go home to your husband... go home to your kids. Get some sleep.
Carolyn LiebermanHas anyone ever told you that you need to go home to your kids?
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Warden WilkensonYou think you're smarter than him. You think you're gonna be the one that's gonna get him to confess.
Bill HagmaierI don't think I'm smarter, sir. I don't think you necessarily have to be smarter.
Warden WilkensonThis is what's gonna happen, Agent Hagmaier. Ted Bundy will come down, he'll toy with you for a little while, he will cat and mouse with you, he will make you think you're getting somewhere. Then... he's gonna leave you there, go back to his cell, and jerk off at the memory.
Bill HagmaierWell, at least that'll give me something to write about.
Ted BundyI just don't know! I don't know, I don't know!
Bill HagmaierWell, what we do know is you're going to die in the morning, and there will be a final judgment.
Ted BundyHow am I going to explain all this to God?
Bill HagmaierThere's a thing called remorse, a thing called repentance. Salvation has to come from within first. You're not gonna be able to lie your way out of this one, Ted.
Dr. James DobsonHe's a murderer. But now he can go on to meet the Lord with a clean soul and an unburdened heart.
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Ted BundyThe governor isn't going to call. This is it, right?
Bill HagmaierThe governor has identified three psychiatrists, good ones. They're interviewing staff, administrators, anyone who's come in contact with you to ask if they noticed any change in your behavior over the last week.
Bill HagmaierYou've been sitting here for eight years. What do you think they brought you here for? It's just now starting to sink in?
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Bill HagmaierI don't want to get you on anything. I'm not even going to ask if you killed anybody. It doesn't matter to me.
Ted BundyWhy would you want to talk to me specifically?
Bill HagmaierLook, we both have psychology degrees. You almost have a law degree. You have more education than I do. I know the guys on the row come to you looking for advice. You help them with their appeals. They trust you. They tell you things. I'm not going to ask you anyone's secrets. I-I just... I just want to recruit you to help me see if we're going down the right road on this. Are we asking the right questions? Are we looking at the right people?... I don't know what you know. I don't see what you see. I don't hear what you hear. I don't think you'd tell me the truth even if I did ask you. I'm just... I got to start somewhere.
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Bill HagmaierI'll tell you what the real bad pornography is. The marriage of pleasure with the thrill of control. The real danger isn't watching a woman get undressed or reading a playboy.BIt's someone having the euphoric feeling of having sex and hurting someone at the same time, like in the detective magazines. The ones with the girls on the front covers with their breasts falling out of their dress while someone garrots them from behind. Read the true story of one killer's obsession. Exactly. You know what those are really good for, though?
Bill HagmaierLearning how not to get caught. I imagine they would be. They are instruction manuals on how to get away with it.
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Ted Bundy[shouts]Why Bill? Why did this happen to me?
Bill Hagmaier[shouts]Wait a minute! Wait a minute! You're asking me so I'm gonna tell you right now! How many of your victims had the opportunity that you have, huh? To prepare for death! To call your mom? You don't even know how many girls there even were! All those children! All those children who died!
Ted BundyThey weren't all children. Most of them were women...
Bill Hagmaier[shouts]They were all somebody's child, Ted!
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Ted BundySo tell me, what's the uh, tape recorder for?
Bill HagmaierI'd thought we'd talk about some cases.
Bill HagmaierHe wouldn't say he did it. He won't. Not yet. But he wanted me to know he did it. He's proud. Proud of what he's done, but even more so that we can't prove it.
Ted BundyHe isn't some kind of monster because he wasn't at the beginning. He's sick, demented, sure. But when you start using jargon like that, those impassioned terms, you forget that there's a lot of him that in you.
Ted BundyThere is nothing that this guy has thought that you haven't thought at one time or another. What, he's just taking it a step further for one reason or another.